TIGER LINES LLC
LODI, CA
TIGER LINES LLC is a large fleet, operating 265 power units and 199 drivers, organized as a corporation, based in Lodi, CA. Across 305 roadside inspections in the last 24 months, the fleet's 17.7% out-of-service rate sits near the 19.4% national average, with 5 reportable crashes. BMC-91 liability filing is on file with National Interstate Insurance Company, and operating authority is active for motor carrier of property (except household goods) and common.
Book with caution — review signals below
No hard OOS / revoked / uninsured blocker, but elevated risk signals need a human look before booking.
- Common (Property) gap · 311 days Inactive May 4, 2001 → reinstated Mar 11, 2002
- OOS mixed vs peers Driver 0.90% (better, peer 1.40%) · Vehicle 25.8% (worse, peer 17.3%) — one mixed line, not dual better/worse claims. Details →
- 2 fatalities on crash record 200 FMCSA-reportable crashes on file. Details →
- FMCSA cargo filing on file · BMC-34 NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY · Filing evidence (BMC-34/83) — not a shipper COI Details →
- 2 active operating authorities
- Insurance on file · $1,000,000 NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY · 91X Details →
- BOC-3 process agent on file ALLAMERICAN AGENTS OF PROCESS Details →
- Satisfactory FMCSA safety rating
Plain-text risk summary (print / paste)
TruckCodex risk summary — TIGER LINES LLC (USDOT 80289) Verdict: CAUTION Book with caution — review signals below No hard OOS / revoked / uninsured blocker, but elevated risk signals need a human look before booking. Authority / census status: Active Active BIPD limit: $1,000,000 Blockers: (none) Cautions: • Common (Property) gap · 311 days — Inactive May 4, 2001 → reinstated Mar 11, 2002 • OOS mixed vs peers — Driver 0.90% (better, peer 1.40%) · Vehicle 25.8% (worse, peer 17.3%) — one mixed line, not dual better/worse claims. • 2 fatalities on crash record — 200 FMCSA-reportable crashes on file. On file: • FMCSA cargo filing on file · BMC-34 — NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY · Filing evidence (BMC-34/83) — not a shipper COI • 2 active operating authorities • Insurance on file · $1,000,000 — NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY · 91X • BOC-3 process agent on file — ALLAMERICAN AGENTS OF PROCESS • Satisfactory FMCSA safety rating Source: https://truckcodex.com/usdot/80289/ As of: Sep 20, 2026 Always confirm on FMCSA SAFER and L&I before tendering — TruckCodex mirrors public filings and can lag by up to a day.
TruckCodex · filing & peer scorecard
TruckCodex filing & peer scorecard · A
Composite of 5/5 scored components (mean 88/100). Separate from booking triage on this page. Expand for per-signal evidence. Heuristic — not an FMCSA rating or legal advice.
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confidence 100% · 5/5 signals · expand
TruckCodex filing & peer scorecard · A
Composite of 5/5 scored components (mean 88/100). Separate from booking triage on this page. Expand for per-signal evidence. Heuristic — not an FMCSA rating or legal advice.
Active census status with no OOS order or revoked authority on file.
Active BIPD/Primary-like policy on file in our insurance history.
Driver OOS 0.9% vs peer median 1.4% (better). Vehicle OOS 25.8% vs peer median 17.3% (worse). n=3255 same-size ACTIVE peers.
Official FMCSA Satisfactory safety rating.
No BMC-91 insurance-lapse watch classification on file for this USDOT.
TruckCodex filing & peer scorecard from authority, BIPD, peer OOS, FMCSA safety rating, and insurance-watch signals. Not a booking verdict and not legal advice. See methodology. Booking triage on this page: Caution.
2 active liability filings · 2 cargo
Company profile
FMCSA L&I filing evidence — not a shipper certificate of insurance (COI). Cargo (BMC-34) is primarily an HHG / household-goods requirement; general freight carriers often have none.
No active broker surety bond or trust fund on file.
BMC-84 is a surety bond; BMC-85 is a trust-fund agreement. Required for property brokers / freight forwarders — not motor-carrier BIPD liability insurance.
Based on FMCSA authority grant of 1985-07-03 (2,000+ days). Published gates only — not a guarantee they will accept. Confirm with the broker.
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InsuranceNATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANYPolicy effective Jan 17, 2012
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Process AgentALLAMERICAN AGENTS OF PROCESSBOC-3 on file
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Operating AuthorityMC107104ACTIVE
Fleet details (MCS-150)
| Vehicle type | Owned | Term leased | Trip leased |
|---|---|---|---|
| Truck tractors | 0 | 265 | 0 |
| Trailers | 0 | 1,395 | 0 |
Self-reported on the carrier’s Form MCS-150 (FMCSA Company Census).
Accident reports (24 months)
All 200 crashes →| Last 6 months | 6–12 months | 12–24 months | Total | |
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| Fatalities | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Injuries | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Tow-away | 0 | 0 | 5 | 5 |
| Crash reports | 0 | 0 | 5 | 5 |
Reportable crashes from FMCSA MCMIS for the trailing 24 months. Counts may differ slightly from SAFER due to reporting lag.
Inspections (24 months)
All 590 inspections →| Driver | Vehicle | Hazmat | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Inspections | 305 | 305 | 0 |
| OOS inspections | 5 | 50 | 0 |
| OOS percentage | 1.64% | 16.39% | — |
| National average | 6.7% | 23.4% | 4.4% |
Roadside inspections in the last 24 months. National averages are FMCSA MCSAP reference rates (driver ~6.7%, vehicle ~23.4%, hazmat ~4.4%).
Carrier analysis & narrative context Status notes, risk intelligence, and safety profiles
TIGER LINES LLC had 305 roadside inspections over the past 24 months with an out-of-service rate of 17.7%, which is in line with the national average of 19.4%. Their highest FMCSA BASIC percentile is vehicle_maint at 5.0. 5 reportable crashes occurred in the same 24-month window.
305 roadside inspections over the last 24 months, concentrated in CA (289) and NV (16).
17.7% out-of-service rate, near the 19.4% national average; led by Vehicle Maintenance (26.1% of violations); top code 392.2 (Violation of Local Laws) cited 164 times, 6 of them OOS.
The fleet comprises 265 power units (large fleet) and 199 drivers; Kenworth, Perl, and Peterbilt are the most-inspected makes.
Risk Signals
Out-of-Service rate vs same-size peers FMCSA roadside inspections, % placed out-of-service
Compared against 3,255 ACTIVE carriers operating 132–398 power units (±50% of this carrier's 265 unit fleet).
Authority gap detected (1)
- Common (Property) authority was inactive from May 4, 2001 to Mar 11, 2002 (311 days)
Inspection Analytics Monthly activity · BASIC mix · state map
Monthly Inspection Activity (37 months)
Violations by BASIC Category
Activity by State
| State | Inspections | OOS | OOS % | Last Inspection |
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| California (CA) | 289 | 51 | 17.6% | Aug 27, 2026 |
| Nevada (NV) | 16 | 3 | 18.8% | Sep 3, 2026 |
Vehicle Fleet Top makes and models observed in roadside inspections
| Make | Model | Inspections |
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| Kenworth | 240 | |
| Perl | 138 | |
| Peterbilt | 119 | |
| Freightliner | 117 | |
| Wabash National | 92 | |
| Utility | 35 | |
| Brow | 23 | |
| Wese | 20 | |
| West | 9 |
SMS BASIC Scores FMCSA Safety Measurement System per-BASIC scores
| BASIC | Inspections | Serious | Measure | Percentile | Alert | As Of |
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| Driver Fitness | 5 | — | 0.12 | 0 | — | Sep 14, 2026 |
| Controlled Substances / Alcohol | 0 | — | 0.00 | 0 | — | Sep 14, 2026 |
| Hours of Service | 3 | — | 0.03 | 0 | — | Sep 14, 2026 |
| Unsafe Driving | 13 | — | 0.48 | 0 | — | Sep 14, 2026 |
| Vehicle Maintenance | 115 | — | 4.94 | 5 | — | Sep 14, 2026 |
Higher percentiles indicate worse performance relative to peer carriers. Carriers at or above the FMCSA intervention threshold are marked ALERT.
Recent Inspections (590 rows) View all 590 →
Recent Crashes (200 rows) View all 200 →
| Report # | Date ▼ | State | Fatalities | Injuries | Tow | Hazmat | Severity |
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| CA4352501683 | Apr 30, 2025 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA2662500235 | Mar 22, 2025 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA2852500250 | Mar 13, 2025 | CA | 0 | 1 | Yes | No | Injury |
| CA390505-820 | Jan 9, 2025 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA4252400639 | Sep 24, 2024 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA2652402548 | Aug 11, 2024 | CA | 0 | 1 | Yes | No | Injury |
| CA3202402707 | Aug 9, 2024 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA2652402414 | Jul 30, 2024 | CA | 0 | 1 | No | No | Injury |
| CA4652401740 | Jul 9, 2024 | CA | 0 | 1 | Yes | No | Injury |
| CA4352401801 | May 15, 2024 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA4352400927 | Mar 15, 2024 | CA | 1 | 0 | Yes | No | Fatal |
| CA3202400939 | Mar 13, 2024 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA3252400173 | Feb 27, 2024 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA2522303829 | Oct 9, 2023 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA2652302986 | Sep 11, 2023 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA2802300747 | Aug 16, 2023 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA2652302220 | Jul 11, 2023 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA4602300515 | Apr 17, 2023 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA0009557038 | Mar 20, 2023 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA2522300484 | Feb 10, 2023 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA4652203211 | Dec 29, 2022 | CA | 0 | 1 | Yes | No | Injury |
| CA4352204416 | Nov 14, 2022 | CA | 0 | 1 | Yes | No | Injury |
| CA7252201364 | Sep 30, 2022 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA2652202719 | Aug 25, 2022 | CA | 0 | 0 | Yes | No | Tow |
| CA3905028132 | Aug 23, 2022 | CA | 1 | 1 | No | No | Fatal |
Authority Records (2 dockets)
MC Certificate Documents (6 letters, 3 PDFs available)
Authority Records (above) are FMCSA docket status and lifecycle events. MC Certificate Documents here are the archived PDF letters for each action — grants, reinstatements, revocations, name changes, and transfers. They are related but not the same dataset: one row per PDF letter, not one file per docket.
Each row is a distinct FMCSA letter (grant, reinstatement, revocation, name change, transfer, etc.). When a PDF is archived, click the link to open that letter. Rows without a link still show the action type and date from our index. FMCSA stopped publishing new daily certificate PDFs after the May 2026 Motus cutover — rows below are historical archive only.
Some letters share the same legacy archived file path — we show one PDF link for the primary document and list the other actions as metadata (type + date) until per-letter PDFs are re-extracted.
| Date | Docket | Action | Authority | |
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| Jan 23, 2012 | MC107104 | Name Change | Revocation | Metadata only |
| Jan 23, 2012 | MC107104 | Daily Register | Revocation | Daily Register → |
| Feb 23, 2006 | MC107104-C | Reinstatement Letter | Reinstatement | Reinstatement Letter → |
| Nov 17, 2005 | MC107104-C | Reinstatement Letter | Reinstatement | Metadata only |
| Sep 29, 2005 | MC107104 | Name Change | Revocation | Metadata only |
| Sep 29, 2005 | MC107104 | Daily Register | Revocation | Daily Register → |
Insurance Coverage Timeline (34 rows)
Every insurance policy on file, newest effective date first. Amber rows mark BIPD/Primary coverage gaps.
| Insurer | Policy # | Type | Limit | Effective | Cancel | Status |
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| NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY | VPP 4900033-04 | 34 | — | Jan 17, 2012 | On file | ACTIVE |
| NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY | VPP 4900033-04 | 91X | $1,000,000 | Jan 17, 2012 | On file | ACTIVE |
| National Interstate Insurance Company | VPP 4900033-04 | BMC-91X | — | Jan 17, 2012 | On file | ACTIVE |
| National Interstate Insurance Company | VPP 4900033-04 | BMC-34 | — | Jan 17, 2012 | On file | ACTIVE |
| NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY | VPP 4900033-00 | BIPD/Primary | — | Feb 15, 2007 | Feb 15, 2007 | REPLACED |
| NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY | VPP 4900033-00 | CARGO | — | Feb 15, 2007 | Feb 15, 2007 | REPLACED |
| NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY | VPP4900033-00 | BIPD/Primary | — | Feb 15, 2007 | Jan 17, 2012 | REPLACED |
| NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY | VPP4900033-00 | CARGO | — | Feb 15, 2007 | Jan 17, 2012 | REPLACED |
| NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY | VPP4900033-00 | BIPD/Primary | — | Feb 15, 2007 | Feb 27, 2012 | NAME CHANGED |
| NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY | VPP4900033-00 | CARGO | — | Feb 15, 2007 | Feb 27, 2012 | NAME CHANGED |
| LEXINGTON INSURANCE COMPANY | 7477640 | CARGO | — | Feb 15, 2006 | Feb 15, 2007 | REPLACED |
| UNDERWRITERS AT LLOYDS LONDON | NA051245 | CARGO | — | Nov 1, 2005 | Feb 15, 2006 | CANCELLED |
| LINCOLN GENERAL INSURANCE COMPANY | LTC 100854 | BIPD/Primary | — | Feb 15, 2005 | Nov 1, 2005 | NAME CHANGED |
| LINCOLN GENERAL INSURANCE COMPANY | LTC 100854 | BIPD/Primary | — | Feb 15, 2005 | Feb 15, 2007 | REPLACED |
| LINCOLN GENERAL INSURANCE COMPANY | LTC 100854 | BIPD/Primary | — | Feb 15, 2005 | Mar 21, 2007 | CANCELLED |
| UNDERWRITERS AT LLOYDS LONDON | NA051245 | CARGO | — | Feb 15, 2005 | Nov 1, 2005 | NAME CHANGED |
| LINCOLN GENERAL INSURANCE COMPANY | LTC 100854 | BIPD/Primary | — | Feb 15, 2005 | Feb 15, 2005 | REPLACED |
| LEXINGTON INSURANCE COMPANY | 0967970 | CARGO | — | Mar 1, 2004 | Feb 15, 2005 | REPLACED |
| CENTURY NATIONAL INSURANCE COMPANY | BAP134248 | BIPD/Primary | — | Feb 15, 2004 | Feb 15, 2005 | REPLACED |
| CENTURY NATIONAL INSURANCE COMPANY | BAP134248 | BIPD/Primary | — | Feb 15, 2004 | Mar 16, 2005 | CANCELLED |
| ADRIATIC INSURANCE COMPANY | MC 3721 | CARGO | — | Apr 9, 2003 | Feb 15, 2004 | CANCELLED |
| CENTURY NATIONAL INSURANCE COMPANY | BAP - 12 44 57 | BIPD/Primary | — | Feb 15, 2003 | Feb 15, 2004 | CANCELLED |
| RLI INSURANCE COMPANY | LFT 001122-1 | BIPD/Primary | — | Feb 15, 2002 | Feb 15, 2003 | CANCELLED |
| RLI INSURANCE COMPANY | LMC 001051-1 | CARGO | — | Feb 15, 2002 | Feb 15, 2003 | CANCELLED |
| NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY | TFX000238 | BIPD/Primary | — | Jan 7, 2002 | Feb 15, 2002 | CANCELLED |
Compliance Timeline Merged authority / insurance / enforcement events
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Feb 27, 2012insuranceTERM/CANCL — NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY
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Feb 3, 2012
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Jan 17, 2012insuranceTERM/REPL — NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY
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Mar 21, 2007insuranceTERM/CANCL — LINCOLN GENERAL INSURANCE COMPANY
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Feb 15, 2007insuranceTERM/REPL — NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY
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Feb 15, 2007insuranceTERM/REPL — LINCOLN GENERAL INSURANCE COMPANY
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Feb 15, 2007insuranceTERM/REPL — LEXINGTON INSURANCE COMPANY
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Feb 23, 2006
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Feb 21, 2006
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Feb 21, 2006authorityAuthority revoked — INVOLUNTARY REVOCATION
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Feb 15, 2006insuranceCANCEL — UNDERWRITERS AT LLOYDS LONDON
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Nov 1, 2005
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Nov 1, 2005insuranceTERM/CANCL — LINCOLN GENERAL INSURANCE COMPANY
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Nov 1, 2005insuranceNAMECHG — UNDERWRITERS AT LLOYDS LONDON
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Nov 1, 2005authorityAuthority revoked — INVOLUNTARY REVOCATION
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Oct 14, 2005
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Mar 16, 2005insuranceTERM/CANCL — CENTURY NATIONAL INSURANCE COMPANY
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Feb 15, 2005insuranceTERM/REPL — LINCOLN GENERAL INSURANCE COMPANY
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Feb 15, 2005insuranceTERM/REPL — CENTURY NATIONAL INSURANCE COMPANY
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Feb 15, 2005insuranceTERM/REPL — LEXINGTON INSURANCE COMPANY
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Mar 5, 2004
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Feb 15, 2004insuranceCANCEL — ADRIATIC INSURANCE COMPANY
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Feb 15, 2004insuranceCANCEL — CENTURY NATIONAL INSURANCE COMPANY
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Apr 15, 2003
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Feb 15, 2003insuranceCANCEL — RLI INSURANCE COMPANY
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Feb 15, 2003insuranceCANCEL — RLI INSURANCE COMPANY
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Feb 15, 2002insuranceCANCEL — NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY
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Jan 7, 2002insuranceCANCEL — NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY
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May 4, 2001
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May 4, 2001authority gapCommon (Property) authority inactive: 311 days (through Mar 11, 2002)
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Feb 15, 2001insuranceCANCEL — MID-CENTURY INSURANCE CO.
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Feb 15, 2001authorityAuthority revoked — INVOLUNTARY REVOCATION
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Feb 15, 1999insuranceCANCEL — LIBERTY MUTUAL INSURANCE CO.
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Feb 15, 1999insuranceCANCEL — LIBERTY INSURANCE CORPORATION
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Jan 5, 1999insuranceCANCEL — LIBERTY MUTUAL INSURANCE CO.
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Jan 5, 1999insuranceCANCEL — LIBERTY INSURANCE CORPORATION
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Apr 1, 1997insuranceTERM/REPL — TRANSPORT INSURANCE CO.
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Apr 1, 1997insuranceTERM/REPL — THE AMERICAN INSURANCE CO.
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Oct 14, 1988
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Jul 3, 1985
Top Stations & Violation Codes Where this carrier gets inspected and what they get cited for
Most-Inspected Stations
| Station | State | Inspections | OOS |
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| CORDELIA IF | CA | 181 | 13 |
| COTTONWOOD IF | CA | 18 | 6 |
| CHOWCHILLA RIVER IF | CA | 15 | 2 |
| STOCKTON AREA | CA | 13 | 4 |
| 401 FLAMINGO DR | CA | 12 | 1 |
| DONNER PASS IF | CA | 11 | 0 |
| MISSION GRADE IF | CA | 10 | 1 |
| GARSON CHECK SITE | NV | 8 | 1 |
| SANTA NELLA SCALES | CA | 6 | 1 |
| EB ANTELOPE SCALE | CA | 5 | 0 |
Top Violation Codes Cited
| Code | Description | Category | Cited | OOS |
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| 392.2 | Violation of Local Laws | Unsafe Driving | 164 | 6 |
| 393.9(a) | Inoperable required lamps | Vehicle Maintenance | 60 | 21 |
| 393.11 | No or defective lighting devices or reflective material as required | Vehicle Maintenance | 12 | 1 |
| 393.45(b)(2) | Brake hose or tubing chafing and/or kinking | Vehicle Maintenance | 8 | 3 |
| 393.95(a) | No/discharged/unsecured fire extinguisher | Vehicle Maintenance | 8 | 0 |
| 395.24(c)(2)(iii) | Driver failed to manually add shipping document number | Hours of Service | 7 | 0 |
| 393.75(a)(3) | Tire-flat and/or audible air leak | Vehicle Maintenance | 5 | 5 |
| 393.100(b) | Leaking/spilling/blowing/falling cargo | Vehicle Maintenance | 4 | 4 |
| 393.75(c) | Tire-other tread depth less than 2/32 of inch measured in a major tread groove | Vehicle Maintenance | 4 | 0 |
| 396.3(a)(1) | Inspection, repair and maintenance of parts and accessories | Vehicle Maintenance | 4 | 0 |
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Docket MC107104
Motor Carrier of Property (Except Household Goods) · ACTIVE · MC
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NATIONAL INTERSTATE INSURANCE COMPANY
34 policy on file
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LEXINGTON INSURANCE COMPANY
CARGO policy on file
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UNDERWRITERS AT LLOYDS LONDON
CARGO policy on file
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LINCOLN GENERAL INSURANCE COMPANY
BIPD/Primary policy on file
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CENTURY NATIONAL INSURANCE COMPANY
BIPD/Primary policy on file
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ADRIATIC INSURANCE COMPANY
CARGO policy on file
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RLI INSURANCE COMPANY
BIPD/Primary policy on file
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MID-CENTURY INSURANCE CO.
BIPD/Primary policy on file
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LIBERTY INSURANCE CORPORATION
BIPD/Primary policy on file
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LIBERTY MUTUAL INSURANCE CO.
CARGO policy on file
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THE AMERICAN INSURANCE CO.
BIPD/Primary policy on file
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TRANSPORT INSURANCE CO.
CARGO policy on file
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ALLAMERICAN AGENTS OF PROCESS
BOC-3 process agent · 107,840 carriers served
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590 inspections
Full roadside inspection history
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200 reportable crashes
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